==Phrack Inc.== Volume Two, Issue 12, Phile #9 of 11 Rebuttal to Phrack Issue 8 and 11 (File 11) Written by Scan Man..... It has been requested of Taran King (Who doesn't agree with KL on this subj) to put this somewhere in the next issue of Phrack (12) for proper distribution. Whether he does or not I cannot say. Well a number of months have gone by now and I have been written about accused of and had rebuttals written for me, all of which were about as clear and factual as mud. And that includes the rebuttal that Telecomputist has in effect tried to stand with me, and making matters only worse by inaccurate information. But then all of this started with inaccurate information from PWN, didn't it. KL has resorted to interfering in other peoples lives in order to promote his so called news publication. To this I say, if you are going to call it news then make it facts. I can buy the Enquirer if I want sensational- istic readership boosting and inflated gossip. You do no justice to yourself or your publication. I really shouldn't dignify any of this with comment but shall as the entire matter has been blown so far out of proportion and since I have been phreaking since these kiddies were still messing their diapers I feel it a little more than an inconvenience, particularly since these gentlemen (and I use the term loosely) can't seem to accomplish anything but guesswork and conjecture and have cost me (and my wife and son) a $50,000 job so the least I can do is get a few FACTS out. First, I was (and I stress was) employed by a company called Telecom Management Corporation. Notice the initials of this company (TMC). Telecom Mgnt is a management company, and a management company manages other companies. Among the companies it manages are 6 TMC Long Distance markets (none of which are in Vegas), two of which are in Charleston where I live and NY where I worked (up until two snotty nose teenagers (KL & SR) decided to stick there nose where didn't belong). At any rate I was hired and paid by Miami, lived in Charleston, and worked in NY. And yes with regard to your "he must have been quite an asset to them," I was an asset to them. And KL you seem to think it was surprising that they flew me to NY every week. I don't, and I'm sure the other 100 businessmen on my flights who I traveled with regularly would be surprised that they carried the unique distinction of being somehow in the wrong for having their companies send them to NY every week. I'll have to tell them this one for a good laff next time I get a 50,000 dollar a yr job that sends me to NY. Moving right along, I will add that I was employed as a Systems Analyst. When I was originally hired, my interview was by a fellow from Miami (Telecom Mgnt) and the interview was conducted in the Chas office (one of the few times I was ever in there). This however doesn't explain why Pauline Frazier and Ben Graves knew me or didn't care for me. The reason for this was quite simple: they both knew about me and the bulletin board and had also been trying to catch me stealing calls from there company (don't know where they ever got that idea ). At any rate they obviously were quite unhappy because I got that job. The next comment in rebut to Telecomputist which was a rebut to PWN Phrack Issue 8 (what a nightmare), was, and I quote, "I claimed not to have any ties with Vegas but didn't claim not to have ties with TMC." Boy talk about factual journalism, really grabbing for straws aren't you. Anything to make me look bad huh? Wonder why. Wouldn't be for more copies for your next issue would it? As you could see at the beginning of this rebuttal I clearly stated that Telecom Management ran 6 TMC markets as well as other companies and that they were connected but separate from each other. Although none of it is relevant to any of this, but that doesn't matter when you are out to get copies for your next issue does it KL. At any rate this also shows where Telecomputist, although trying to do a good thing, got their facts mixed up too by misunderstanding the fact that Telecom Managements initials were the same as TMC and were unrelated companies when actually they are. In you next comments you say, "The rest of my statements are highly debatable" (might try looking at a few (no make that all) of your own). You also said that my statements have no proof (as if yours are so damn factual). First, I don't have to prove a thing to assholes like you or anyone else for that matter. You also state your decision (as if you have the right to make any decisions about me, (shit boy you don't even know me, but you may soon) was to do nothing because of lack of proof. And you call what you came up with truth? Based on what, your vast personal knowledge of me, your knowledge of something some phone phreak told you, because of having worked with me? As for providing more ammunition to the idea, I'm not what I claim to be. I have claimed to be nothing, it's you doing all the claiming. And there is no "ammunition" to be had from the Telecomputist article as it was about as accurate as yours have been. Shows you what two people who know nothing about nothing can do if they put their minds to it. I might add that this is the first and last statement I have personally written that has anything to do with any of this. You also stated that, "after three months you had proof," yet you have shown only words, not a speck of proof or truth. You have taken the Telecomputist article apart and tried every way there was to tear it apart, most of which was guesswork and innuendo. Examples of this are your quotes of, "Gee isn't that awful expensive," "Notice how he didn't say he had no ties with TMC," "Statements were highly debatable," "Now that he has had a few months to come up with a story," etc., that's some real facts there KL, you're a real journalist who deals only with facts. You're not out for gossip or character assassination. Riiiiiight. I've just been waiting for you to put your foot in your mouth (in this case both feet). (Don't worry, I'm sure they will fit nicely) I think it's also time to tell the story of how all this got started. It's really a comedy of errors (only I'm not laffing). As I stated earlier I was paid by Miami, as that's where the home office was. This meant that on occasion I also went to Miami as well as NY. In Dec of 85 I learned of a new organization being formed called the CFCA (Communications Fraud Control Association) although in addition to communications, they support computer and credit security as well. Knowing that all the top security people were going to be there and being a good phone phreak on the eternal quest for inside knowledge, I wanted in on this conference which was held the 6th, 7th and 8th of Feb 86 in Miami. Soooooo I convinced Telecom that we should check these People out for some benefit to our company with regard to my job (Systems Analyst) as after all it was my job to not only develop and operate the companies' computers but keep them secure as well. So I had had the perfect excuse to get me in the conference. They agreed with me and went for it and paid for my flight down there and the conference fee. Moving right along, it was the 1st day into the conference when just at lunch I was talking to a guy from Pac NW Bell named Larry Algard (whose name I had forgotten til Sally Ride showed up on the BBS saying Larry the Algardian had sent me a couple of weeks later). At any rate while talking to this guy, a security agent from one of the other LD companies that was there came up and said, "Aren't you Scan Man, the guy that runs P-80?" Needless to say I about shit, and had to come up with a damn good answer in about a 100th of a second. Knowing I was there legally with the authority of my company, I answered back (in front of Larry Algard), "Yes, but unbeknownst to my members it's an undercover board for TMC the company I work for." And since Telecom Management Corporations initials were TMC and they did manage 6 TMC LD companies I knew I was safe if he decided to check me out, which I was worried about because earlier this same guy (the one that said, "Aren't you Scan Man") had made a comment about the security of the meeting and that he believed hackers had infiltrated the meeting. At any rate, I was out of the fire with this guy and everyone (about 7 others) standing around in our circle. It does however get worse. Two weeks later I got a new user on the board named Sally Ride saying, "Larry The Algardian sent me" and the msg subj was titled Scott Higginbotham. I answered the msg asking him where he got that name (Scott Higginbotham, my real name) but he thought I meant where did he get the name Larry the Algardian (see msg reprint below). His reply is as follows (actual copy of msg) Scan Man, I got the name from an electronic memo from Sec. Mgr. Larry Algard to his boss, George Reay. Since I've access to these files via PNB's UNIX AOS, I read about Algard's meeting with Scott at a CFCA Conf. in Miami. It's nice to be able to know what the other side is up to, but how did you infiltrate CFCA? I was able to infiltrate PNB Sec. thru their own system. But, to attend such a meeting of the toll carriers of the nation and learn their plans to combat us is a real coup! Understand where I'm coming from? Sally Ride:::Space Cadet Now from this msg you can see two things: first that Sally Ride is a two faced little S.O.B., plus you can also see why he would think I was fed. I can almost (again I stress almost) understand why he was suspicious. This msg also points out that at least in his msgs to me he was of the opinion that I had infiltrated the conference (not that his opinion about anything matters). Then, on a social ladder climbing binge, he turns it around to me being one of them (as if he was the only person in the world who could infiltrate something). To this I say again, I was doing this when you were still in diapers (SR). Even though I can legitimately understand why he would think I was a fed as this at least "APPEARS" to be proof that I'm a fed, by that I mean if I had broken into a telco security computer and found a msg saying that so and so was running a sting board, I would be prone to believe it myself. What Sally didn't know was that I had to say that at that conference to keep from being fried myself when confronted by a security agent who recognized me. But then what are the odds of someone breaking into the very computer reading that very msg. If it were me and I was going to take this information to the phreak community I would have to state the facts, which were that he found this msg, "then print msg". I would not go into the guessing that he and KL did in the original Phrack article (or this last one, since the first obviously wasn't enough). But back to the point of all of this, "WHAT WOULD YOU SAY STANDING IN THE MIDDLE OF 500 TOP TELCO SECURITY PEOPLE AND ONE WALKS UP AND SAYS, "AREN'T YOU SO AND SO THAT RUNS SO AND SO BBS?" See what I meant about a comedy of errors? Do you also see why sometimes what is apparently the truth isn't always what it appears as. Do you also see what I mean about gossip and poor journalism? This is not the first time that Sally or KL has tried to distort facts and interfere with people's lives. I am referring to the past David Lightman incident. Instead of belaboring this point, I shall, in the fashion of the great journalists (KL & SR), reprint another msg from Sally regarding this other incident in order to show what kind of individual we are dealing with (a 19 yr old who if he spent as much time hacking and phreaking as he does stretching the facts and butting into peoples lives might be a good phreak/hack). From: Sally Ride Well a couple of things..first about Phrack World News..the above mentioned article about Blade Runner and David Lightman was credited to David Lightman and Blade Runner and someone else, maybe K.L. I really don't know either David or Blade that well, but when someone is accused of being a cop, or a phone cop, or whatever, I see no reason to keep that a secret from the phreak-world. Everyone is able to make their own conclusions based on the information provided and considering the sources. Finally, and I hope this ends all discussion about this on the "Elite" section of this BBS. Is that what is allowed for discussion here? Really, character assassination should be kept to the War Room of some other K-Rad luzer BBS. Secondly, thanks to all who kept me up to date on the status of the BBSes that had suddenly dropped out of sight all for separate unrelated reasons. I found The Twilight Zone, now the Septic Tank, it's back at 203-572-0015, old accounts intact. Taran King's Metal Shop Private should be back up within hours of this message, see PWN 6 for the details. And Stronghold East is still down as far as I know, should be back around 7/1. Broadway's always been weird but turning informant? Will wonders never cease? And, TUC has a board again? And, here I thought he was a "Security Consultant", per W.57th St. Who knows who's side who is on? Scan Man, here's news from your neck of the woods. A company named Advanced Information Management Inc. run by Robert Campbell. The June 23rd issue of Communications Week says this guy and his 17 consultants are all over the BBS world. They are based in Woodbridge, VA. Know anything about them? Sound like some more narcs to worry about. What is the true story on Ralph Meola? PWN 6 says he's the head of AT&T Security. Has anyone ever heard of him before? Sally Ride:::Space Cadet I believe your words were, "character assassinations should be kept on some k-rad Luzer war board" (try taking some of your own advice, or is it different when it's your friend). You also made the statement that everyone should be able to make their own decisions based on the sources. In my case it's two guys that don't know me or really anything about me (KL & SR). Did anyone also notice Sally's tendency toward a persecution complex? Everyone he mentioned in the msg is thought to be a phone cop. I mean, really, take a good look at that msg. It's quite obvious this boy is playing God and deciding who is and isn't on who's side (you're not the only one who saves msgs). He's either attacked or defended (mostly attacked or insinuated) about 5 people in one msg of being the bad ole phone cop. Who set you two up as judge and jury? As to how I feel about it, I'll use an old saying with a new twist, "If you want to hear the jukebox, you damn well better have a quarter," better known as "pay the piper". Does it sound like I'm upset? I mean how would you feel if you had trouble keeping your family fed, heated, and housed because some asshole that just hit puberty stuck their nose into your life. Tell your son, no he can't go skating because you don't have the money because........etc.....Also I might add that a number of us old guards who were phreaking before there were computers and BBSes such as my old friend, Joe Engressia (Secrets of Little Blue Box, Esquire 71) (avail P-80) and others have done actual security work (not busting heads) defeating security systems on new payphones (test before marketing) etc for yrs. I don't see anyone jumping up and yelling phone cop on these guys. People who are admitted security people who also claim to be phreaks are ignored. So why all the stink with me? In closing I would like to say that I have little doubt that in their usual fashion KL and/or SR will attempt to go over every word I have typed looking for more SO CALLED FACTS. Any way you try to reword it will only be more twisting and supposition. Sooo be my guest. You will get no more comments from me. The next time either of you two hear from me, you better have your Quarter for the jukebox cause it will be time to pay the piper. P.S. KL do me a favor and call my board and let me know whether you will be at this phreak conf in St Louis. If so I recommend old cloths, and clean underwear. (Oh yes and a quarter.) Scan Man (3-10-87)